Robinson was on the downside of his career and Duncan was brought in to take over the franchise and give the Admiral once last chance. I wouldn't really compare that to what Gortat/Howard are.
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I agree we need to keep Gortat, the guy is a beast. He rebounds (He was 3rd in the league per 48 for a long time), he blocks shots, he has a nice shot, he hustles, he is still young, and our point Guards run the pick n roll to him more then Howard.
Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: Robinson was on the downside of his career and Duncan was brought in to take over the franchise and give the Admiral once last chance. I wouldn't really compare that to what Gortat/Howard are.
Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: Robinson was on the downside of his career and Duncan was brought in to take over the franchise and give the Admiral once last chance. I wouldn't really compare that to what Gortat/Howard are.
And Gortat is on the up side...
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To be honest JD, my wet dreams usually consist of women, though I believe a basketball court has been involved once or twice. No Gortat though.
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Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: Robinson was on the downside of his career and Duncan was brought in to take over the franchise and give the Admiral once last chance. I wouldn't really compare that to what Gortat/Howard are.
Surely Gortat compares very favorably to all the other centers the Spurs have paired with Duncan since Robinson retired (Nesterovic, Nzar, Oberto, Elson)???
If SVG would just develop this lineup...Orlando would have it's PF issue resolved.
After watching Shard absolutely torture Young in that Phily series on the block, there is no question this team needs to get more minutes for Lewis at the 3 as well.
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Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: Robinson was on the downside of his career and Duncan was brought in to take over the franchise and give the Admiral once last chance. I wouldn't really compare that to what Gortat/Howard are.
I would point out that had The Admiral and Duncan been the same age this league would have never been the same. Jordan would have had a lot harder time pulling off the second 3 peat. And no doubt LA would have not had a 3 peat. Those two took a little while to adjust to each other on the court, but once they did that team was a thing of beauty to watch. They were truly unguardable in the paint. There was never a team that got as many easy buckets as the Spurs did.
If Stan can make it work with Gortat and Howard, you are looking at a combination that will be extremely tough to beat no matter how a team with LeBron next season ends up.
I think Otis has to plan to have Gortat and Dwight continue to develop. We thought we were getting that with a Darko/Dwight lineup. That never happened and Gortat is 10 times better and a 1000 times more focused to be a great player than Darko ever was. It just seems so logical that when you have 2 talented bigs like the Magic do, you find a way to make it work with them both on the floor.
If Gortat comes back he will have a huge raise and therefore you have to give him the chance to lock down the starting PF position from the start of training camp. We already know what we get from a line up with Shard at the PF position. We really need to see what we can get with this line up on the floor through training camp and the first month of the season.
PG - Nelson SG - Carter SF - Lewis PF - Gortat C - Howard
Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: Robinson was on the downside of his career and Duncan was brought in to take over the franchise and give the Admiral once last chance. I wouldn't really compare that to what Gortat/Howard are.
Surely Gortat compares very favorably to all the other centers the Spurs have paired with Duncan since Robinson retired (Nesterovic, Nzar, Oberto, Elson)???
If SVG would just develop this lineup...Orlando would have it's PF issue resolved.
After watching Shard absolutely torture Young in that Phily series on the block, there is no question this team needs to get more minutes for Lewis at the 3 as well.
It is not the same how can you compare? People on this board don't really grasps concepts well.
Okay the guys mentioned above could play with Duncan because Duncan can play away from the basket. I mean he is the most fundamentally sound big man ever in the NBA. So who is Tim Duncan? Howard? Howard and Gortat are both great defensively and both can't shoot. They have similar games which makes them the total opposite of what you want in a tandem. Gortat nor Dwight can guard most PF in the league. How is this hard to understand? Basketball is about spacing and these two would be running into each other. That is why SVG did not like to play them together and rarely did(unless major foul trouble) Gortat lost minutes at PF to Battie(who sucks so that shows you how high SVG is on playing Gortat there.
Originally posted by Jareth Cutestory: Robinson was on the downside of his career and Duncan was brought in to take over the franchise and give the Admiral once last chance. I wouldn't really compare that to what Gortat/Howard are.
Surely Gortat compares very favorably to all the other centers the Spurs have paired with Duncan since Robinson retired (Nesterovic, Nzar, Oberto, Elson)???
If SVG would just develop this lineup...Orlando would have it's PF issue resolved.
After watching Shard absolutely torture Young in that Phily series on the block, there is no question this team needs to get more minutes for Lewis at the 3 as well.
Young outplayed Shard in that series by the way and Young is a PF(or that is where he plays, Iggy is the SF)
Originally posted by VaBchMagicFan: It is not the same how can you compare? People on this board don't really grasps concepts well.
Okay the guys mentioned above could play with Duncan because Duncan can play away from the basket. I mean he is the most fundamentally sound big man ever in the NBA. So who is Tim Duncan? Howard? Howard and Gortat are both great defensively and both can't shoot. They have similar games which makes them the total opposite of what you want in a tandem. Gortat nor Dwight can guard most PF in the league. How is this hard to understand? Basketball is about spacing and these two would be running into each other. That is why SVG did not like to play them together and rarely did(unless major foul trouble) Gortat lost minutes at PF to Battie(who sucks so that shows you how high SVG is on playing Gortat there.
This is a tremendously flawed argument that might sound good, but doesn't hold up to reality.
You are suggesting Dwight doesn't play away from the basket? Have you watched a Magic game the past two years? Who you think is runninng around the perimeter like a chicken with his head cut off setting all those picks & screens at the 3 point line??? Gortat has proven to be nearly as effective. These two can easily play together, it's simply a matter of SVG altering his offense. Having a player like Vince now who can create his own shot would also make this about 100x easier.
Tell me the difference between Dwight on the block with the ball with Gortat in the game and Lewis on the block with the ball with Dwight or Gortat in the game?
Defense? Dwight played PF his entire rookie season & I suppose you are suggesting Pau Gasol can defend guys Dwight & Gortat can't??? This also ignores the FACT that Dwight or Gortat are often matched up against players at C they would be defending at PF.
That's a quick list of starting 4's, of which, Dwight & Gortat would struggle with Josh Smith & Jamison as they would struggle on the other end. In these cases, you go small, & put Lewis back at 4.
SA has always had the ability to go big and small. That versatility is a huge key to their success.
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